Paul Kingsnorth talks about environmentalism and climate change. Paul explains how humanity still can be hopeful although the battle against climate change in his eyes has been lost. Paul says that limiting CO2 emissions became the new gospel because it was measurable and countable, but this is an illusion. The green movement of today exchanges the remaining wild nature for a wind or solar panel farm. The battle is lost. Paul founded the “Dark Mountain Project” in which writers, poets and artists are looking for a different view of the end of the world, based on the connection between man and nature.